tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post898427569499576764..comments2024-02-28T11:29:36.860-05:00Comments on just up the pike: guest blog: give teens empowerment, not a curfewDan Reedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10594208011755406956noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-47831840093994607092011-07-28T10:09:43.194-04:002011-07-28T10:09:43.194-04:00While I don't think Curfews are the be all end...While I don't think Curfews are the be all end all in this matter, its a start.<br /><br />The other measure is creating a no loitering law. THere are countless degenerates that malinger around DTSS and just hoot and holla like wild beast. Both boys and girls. <br /><br />That is how we eliminate it. You don't see these kind of issues in Bethesda. We need to empower the community through laws and empower law enforcement through tacticsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-13824408064883632822011-07-22T17:56:21.874-04:002011-07-22T17:56:21.874-04:00A curfew would only make otherwise law-abiding kid...A curfew would only make otherwise law-abiding kids and parents into criminals. Surely we have enough laws already to deal with kids whose behavior is actually causing problems. <br /><br />A curfew is like speed bumps. They inconvenience lots of people because of the poor behavior of only a few. A curfew would do the same thing.<br /><br />By the way, I'm the parent of a now-adult child and would not be directly affected by a curfew, but I still think it is a repugnant idea.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00180733496678026590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-14684280691195764622011-07-22T07:44:21.384-04:002011-07-22T07:44:21.384-04:00woody brosnan wrote,
The police are now saying th...woody brosnan wrote,<br /><br />The police are now saying that the curfew would be set at midnight all week throughout the summer months and then go to 11 Sunday through Thursday during the school year. There also is likely to be an entertainment exception so that teens can go to movies and concerts that extend past the curfew hour. Teens would only be cited if they refused an order to go home.Woody Brosnanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396619795756337811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-22858936669092539082011-07-21T10:28:18.191-04:002011-07-21T10:28:18.191-04:00We're talking 11pm on weekdays and midnight on...We're talking 11pm on weekdays and midnight on weekends. Honestly, shouldn't kids be home at that time anyway? There are exceptions to the curfew rule, if the kid is out with his/her parents or at a school event.<br /><br />I don't see this law as being oppressive. It's basically giving the police something they can use in the case of a big group of teens starting to get too wild.Terry in Silver Springhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14327980975408524384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-22679182568010057312011-07-20T17:49:25.366-04:002011-07-20T17:49:25.366-04:00As far as the Berkeley Study, it looks at cities w...As far as the Berkeley Study, it looks at cities where crime has been increasing. Montgomery County's crime has been decreasing, so the Berkeley study does not apply<br /><br />The males study and specific studies of the PG and DC curfew laws have shown that curfews don't reduce crime. <br /><br />There are also studies that show curfews lead to an increase in racial profiling.<br /><br />There are already laws that would have enabled the police to break up that gathering, such as loitering laws.Ms. Nomerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161695056793041949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-24224440248475932972011-07-20T16:46:22.437-04:002011-07-20T16:46:22.437-04:00woody brosnan wrote,
I agree that studies are inc...woody brosnan wrote,<br /><br />I agree that studies are inconclusive on whether curfews reduce juvenile crime. But this is a strawman argument. The police are asking for the curfew as a specific tool to break up large gatherings of youths. This in response to a July 2 incident when about 60 gang members, many apparently from outside the county, were disruptive in downtown Silver Spring.<br />I applaud Abigail and her young colleagues for looking at this issue. We need their input to address the gang problem.Woody Brosnanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396619795756337811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-46685050695895603202011-07-20T14:55:09.399-04:002011-07-20T14:55:09.399-04:00I would say the jury's out on the effectivenes...I would say the jury's out on the effectiveness of curfews. I found studies that say <a href="http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~pkline/papers/Youth%20curfews%20latest.pdf" rel="nofollow">they work</a>, but there are also studies that say <a href="http://wcr.sonoma.edu/v1n2/males.html" rel="nofollow">they don't work</a>. <br /><br />Regardless of your opinion, I'd be more interested in a discussion on the effectiveness of curfews in reducing crime rather than a "you kids get off my lawn!"-style rant about how kids stay up too late.Dan Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10594208011755406956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30306615.post-69525384340967841352011-07-20T14:47:35.465-04:002011-07-20T14:47:35.465-04:00Great article. I've noticed that across multip...Great article. I've noticed that across multiple posts against the curfew that has been little to no discussion regarding the efficacy of curfews (locally and nationally). Is that because it is effective, because there isn't definitive evidence one way or another, or because efficacy doesn't matter? <br /><br />Honestly, effectiveness is what it comes down to for me when it comes to this curfew, as well as other restrictions based on age (driving, alcohol and drug use, etc.). If it isn't effective then of course it's not worth pursuing. If it is effective at taking a chunk out of crime, then personally I think the trade off is worth it in this case.jag2923https://www.blogger.com/profile/16643222673053580872noreply@blogger.com